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	<title>Comments on: Should we have a new non-profit-only Internet domain?</title>
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		<title>By: Howard Lake</title>
		<link>http://givinginadigitalworld.org/2009/07/19/should-we-have-a-new-nonprofit-only-internet-domain/#comment-927</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard Lake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should have added a fifth reason for not choosing the .ngo option. The suffix .org is handy in that it works in English and French - &quot;organisation&quot; is conveniently spelled the same way in both languages.

NGO does not work so well. In French it becomes ONG.

While .org doesn&#039;t translate into all languages, ticking off two major international languages is quite a strength for the suffix.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have added a fifth reason for not choosing the .ngo option. The suffix .org is handy in that it works in English and French &#8211; &#8220;organisation&#8221; is conveniently spelled the same way in both languages.</p>
<p>NGO does not work so well. In French it becomes ONG.</p>
<p>While .org doesn&#8217;t translate into all languages, ticking off two major international languages is quite a strength for the suffix.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Lake</title>
		<link>http://givinginadigitalworld.org/2009/07/19/should-we-have-a-new-nonprofit-only-internet-domain/#comment-882</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard Lake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sceptical about the need for a new .ngo gTLD for a number of reasons.

1. The UK public is confused enough about what constitutes a charity (Eton College is,  Amnesty and Greenpeace aren&#039;t etc). How many people can tell you what an NGO is, or even what it stands for?

2. Plenty of organisations in the UK that are NGOs would never think of referring to themselves that way. Those that do use the acronym tend to be overseas development agencies, which often need to differentiate themselves in the countries in which they operate as explicitly not an arm of government. To confuse things further, quite a few of these self-declaring NGOs describe themselves as INGOs - international NGOs.

3. If .ngo were accepted, does that devalue an .org? I&#039;d argue it would, because charities/nonprofits would have to educate their supporters that a .ngo site is regulated whereas an .org isn&#039;t.

4. If .ngo becomes a valuable and trusted suffix, and charities/nonprofits choose to move to it as their prime URL, would anyone care to estimate the cost of changing all the printed material that mentions the .org address on charities&#039; literature? To that add the URLs that appear as signs on shops, charity vehicles, buildings and so on.

I lament the missed opportunities of .org but .ngo seems like a lot of effort to shut the stable door long after the horse has bolted, with the added possibility that it will just confuse the public further.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sceptical about the need for a new .ngo gTLD for a number of reasons.</p>
<p>1. The UK public is confused enough about what constitutes a charity (Eton College is,  Amnesty and Greenpeace aren&#8217;t etc). How many people can tell you what an NGO is, or even what it stands for?</p>
<p>2. Plenty of organisations in the UK that are NGOs would never think of referring to themselves that way. Those that do use the acronym tend to be overseas development agencies, which often need to differentiate themselves in the countries in which they operate as explicitly not an arm of government. To confuse things further, quite a few of these self-declaring NGOs describe themselves as INGOs &#8211; international NGOs.</p>
<p>3. If .ngo were accepted, does that devalue an .org? I&#8217;d argue it would, because charities/nonprofits would have to educate their supporters that a .ngo site is regulated whereas an .org isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>4. If .ngo becomes a valuable and trusted suffix, and charities/nonprofits choose to move to it as their prime URL, would anyone care to estimate the cost of changing all the printed material that mentions the .org address on charities&#8217; literature? To that add the URLs that appear as signs on shops, charity vehicles, buildings and so on.</p>
<p>I lament the missed opportunities of .org but .ngo seems like a lot of effort to shut the stable door long after the horse has bolted, with the added possibility that it will just confuse the public further.</p>
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		<title>By: John Glennon</title>
		<link>http://givinginadigitalworld.org/2009/07/19/should-we-have-a-new-nonprofit-only-internet-domain/#comment-848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Glennon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new top level domain will likely cause more confusion than less. Society and charities might be better served by reforming .org than offering a new top level domain. Somewhat parallel targeted extensions .museum and .coop have been around for several years but without any consumer identification. Thus, these extension offer no more level of increased trust. The proliferation of additional top level domains from the loosening ICANN rules will further lead to dilution of new extensions brand identification. In order to avoid the same pitfalls as other existing, but poorly adopted, extensions, I would carefully read their histories before investing any money into an .ngo effort. 

Even with a new dedicated extension, nonprofits holding the best .org names will be viewed as the established charities, while a new extension is likely to be viewed as second rate. This is similar to the .com space. Big, established companies hold the most identifiable .com names. Lesser companies settle for lesser qualities .com names or go to .net or the seldom used .biz.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new top level domain will likely cause more confusion than less. Society and charities might be better served by reforming .org than offering a new top level domain. Somewhat parallel targeted extensions .museum and .coop have been around for several years but without any consumer identification. Thus, these extension offer no more level of increased trust. The proliferation of additional top level domains from the loosening ICANN rules will further lead to dilution of new extensions brand identification. In order to avoid the same pitfalls as other existing, but poorly adopted, extensions, I would carefully read their histories before investing any money into an .ngo effort. </p>
<p>Even with a new dedicated extension, nonprofits holding the best .org names will be viewed as the established charities, while a new extension is likely to be viewed as second rate. This is similar to the .com space. Big, established companies hold the most identifiable .com names. Lesser companies settle for lesser qualities .com names or go to .net or the seldom used .biz.</p>
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		<title>By: Does The Internet Need A Non-Profit Extension? .NGO Is Proposed</title>
		<link>http://givinginadigitalworld.org/2009/07/19/should-we-have-a-new-nonprofit-only-internet-domain/#comment-847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Does The Internet Need A Non-Profit Extension? .NGO Is Proposed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] There is a movement afoot to roll out a new gTLD that would be exclusively for charities and non-profit entities. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is a movement afoot to roll out a new gTLD that would be exclusively for charities and non-profit entities. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://givinginadigitalworld.org/2009/07/19/should-we-have-a-new-nonprofit-only-internet-domain/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair point Jon, whoever manages such a non-profit only closed gTLD will need to define eligibility criteria that take into account the specific non-profit regulations defined in each country, worldwide - which will be a key part of the challenge]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point Jon, whoever manages such a non-profit only closed gTLD will need to define eligibility criteria that take into account the specific non-profit regulations defined in each country, worldwide &#8211; which will be a key part of the challenge</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Brooks</title>
		<link>http://givinginadigitalworld.org/2009/07/19/should-we-have-a-new-nonprofit-only-internet-domain/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Brooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[.ngo is more popular in the States than the UK as a marker for charities. 

I would advocate only allowing e.g. Charity Commission regulated organisations to be included. However, this excludes a number of well known organisations (including London museums), not to mention thousands of tiny organisations that would like to get involved. 

Globally, England and Wales has different regulation to Ireland, US, Russia, etc etc. My guess would be that it would be opened up to so many different organisations that the original aim - to provided a trusted, closed signal - would be negated.

Interesting debate - would be great if the solutions can be found.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.ngo is more popular in the States than the UK as a marker for charities. </p>
<p>I would advocate only allowing e.g. Charity Commission regulated organisations to be included. However, this excludes a number of well known organisations (including London museums), not to mention thousands of tiny organisations that would like to get involved. </p>
<p>Globally, England and Wales has different regulation to Ireland, US, Russia, etc etc. My guess would be that it would be opened up to so many different organisations that the original aim &#8211; to provided a trusted, closed signal &#8211; would be negated.</p>
<p>Interesting debate &#8211; would be great if the solutions can be found.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://givinginadigitalworld.org/2009/07/19/should-we-have-a-new-nonprofit-only-internet-domain/#comment-832</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Vicky. Thanks for the background to your .ngo proposal. I did mention in the post above that .ngo is the suggested non-profit only gTLD - up in para 4. But it&#039;ll be interesting to see what other ideas folks come-up with too - although, as you say, finding acronyms that work globally isn&#039;t easy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vicky. Thanks for the background to your .ngo proposal. I did mention in the post above that .ngo is the suggested non-profit only gTLD &#8211; up in para 4. But it&#8217;ll be interesting to see what other ideas folks come-up with too &#8211; although, as you say, finding acronyms that work globally isn&#8217;t easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Harris</title>
		<link>http://givinginadigitalworld.org/2009/07/19/should-we-have-a-new-nonprofit-only-internet-domain/#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victoria Harris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have scanned the text of the blog and noticed that Bryan only mentioned the name of the proposed TLD in the footer. It is &quot;.ngo&quot;. Way back in 2008 when the ICANN announcements first hit the general press about opening up the TLD space, I contacted .name founder Geir Rasmusson and Verisign about supporting a new TLD for the charitable sector to be called .ngo. The purpose was to ensure the new domain had a clear charitable/not for profit aim, and that it was run for the NGO sector and driven by the wishes of the NGO community. One raison d&#039;etre of the new TLD was of course that it would become known for the increased security, as Bryan and Friendraiser  mention. As I break into my best French there I can see that .non may not be a TLD name to go for. A bit negative :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have scanned the text of the blog and noticed that Bryan only mentioned the name of the proposed TLD in the footer. It is &#8220;.ngo&#8221;. Way back in 2008 when the ICANN announcements first hit the general press about opening up the TLD space, I contacted .name founder Geir Rasmusson and Verisign about supporting a new TLD for the charitable sector to be called .ngo. The purpose was to ensure the new domain had a clear charitable/not for profit aim, and that it was run for the NGO sector and driven by the wishes of the NGO community. One raison d&#8217;etre of the new TLD was of course that it would become known for the increased security, as Bryan and Friendraiser  mention. As I break into my best French there I can see that .non may not be a TLD name to go for. A bit negative <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: thefriendraiser</title>
		<link>http://givinginadigitalworld.org/2009/07/19/should-we-have-a-new-nonprofit-only-internet-domain/#comment-828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefriendraiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i say .nfp or .non because you are right .org was hijacked and can be used by anyone who can&#039;t find a .com or .net]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i say .nfp or .non because you are right .org was hijacked and can be used by anyone who can&#8217;t find a .com or .net</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://givinginadigitalworld.org/2009/07/19/should-we-have-a-new-nonprofit-only-internet-domain/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good question Luise. You&#039;re certainly not alone in registering several gTLDs and ccTLDs and redirecting them to your main site - I do the same with .co.uk and .org. for this blog

I&#039;d imagine that if the idea of the new approved non-profits-only gTLD was to reduce online fraud then your main secure transaction site would need to be at that gTLD, but that you could still have addresses at other extensions pointing to it. Anyone without approval could not use the non-profit gTLD at all so could not redirect to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Luise. You&#8217;re certainly not alone in registering several gTLDs and ccTLDs and redirecting them to your main site &#8211; I do the same with .co.uk and .org. for this blog</p>
<p>I&#8217;d imagine that if the idea of the new approved non-profits-only gTLD was to reduce online fraud then your main secure transaction site would need to be at that gTLD, but that you could still have addresses at other extensions pointing to it. Anyone without approval could not use the non-profit gTLD at all so could not redirect to it.</p>
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